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Moody
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This kind of stuff is what pisses me off about the UFC, not treating it's fighters right. I was hoping the other orgs would learn from Dana's dumbass mistakes in making the fighters angry. I don't see why running a successful business means treating fighters badly.
Stay strong in spite of their bs Kaitlin, I'm a fan and I'm looking forward to seeing you fight again. |
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frankp316
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even though your eye looked bad (by normal peoples standards) you being coherent, upbeat, and acting ok in an interview maybe may have HELPED the situation. for all the viewers know you were headed to the hospital for your "gruesome, life-threatening injury" while gina had the mic. rather than leaving it up to their imaginations, they should have let you show how it was purely cosmetic.
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Yeah, I have to agree. I think if people were shocked or upset by the look of it they may have been put at ease a bit by seeing that I was okay. I think some people probably assumed the worst because I basically disappeared from the camera after the fight.
I'm not trying to be one of those people "Well, I would have won if they had let it go into the third round so it wasn't my fault. Yada yada yada...." Gina was obviously getting the better of me at that point in the fight, but I wasn't ready to be done. It really bothers me that I didn't get a chance to thank my sponsors and all that jazz.
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I would also suggest that if this was a five minute round as it should be, you would have had to tap anyway. But you did good. You both put on a great show and you should be very proud. As viewers at home, we don't really know who stopped the fight so we're blaming the doctor when the athletic commission usually has a vote too. It's unfortunate but neither the promotion or the fighters should have final say. Fighters never want to stop and it's better to err on the side of caution. I'm looking forward to your next fight. |
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defshepard
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:30 am Post subject: kaitlin |
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My left cheek and area surrounding the eye are looking pretty ugly today, but there was no major damage. Though it may have looked like it on tv, I never actually had an open wound.
What you didn't see was that the doctor actually cleared me to fight the third round but the commission said "no". I wanted to continue, my corner wanted to continue. The cut likely would have opened in the third but it was under the eye. If I had to guess, I would say that they didn't want the visual of a woman with a bloody face on CBS.
They also chose not to do a post fight interview with me or to include me in the post fight news conference and after party. I think the reason for that was my beat up appearance after the fight because I was not seriously injured and was completely coherent.
I am very disappointed about that but cant help but wonder how people would have responded to that, as stupid as it is.
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I am so proud of you, and the way you fought so hard in there! The women's fight owned the whole show that night. I really am so sorry you could not have gone a third round. I thought the doctor had stopped the fight not the commission. If you had gone a third round you might have won, maybe. You will fight Gina again, and win I just know it in my heart. I have bigtime faith in you Kaitlin. Good luck and God Bless!!!! |
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defshepard
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:24 am Post subject: kaitlin |
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Kaitlin - Impressive performance first of all. I'm glad you posted the reality of the stoppage. My first reaction was that I had no idea why they had stopped the fight. Obviously you were getting the worst of it at the end of round two but you clearly answered the doctors questions, the only possible cut looked like it was under the eye, and it appeared that even though your eye was getting beat up you could still see out of it. Who knows what would have happened in the third but I would have liked to see you get the chance to find out. For being so young, with so little time in the ring, being put in such a large spotlight I thought you did an amazing job. How they treated you after, with not interviewing you or including you in any of the post fight stuff is inexcusable, and completely disrespectful of the fact that you trained your butt off, showed up and accepted a fight with your opponent missing weight by a large margin, and then fought as hard as you possibly could. They should be ashamed......you should be proud.
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I agree. I am beginnig to smell a rat here and it is making me very angry.
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defshepard
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:29 am Post subject: kaitlin |
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even though your eye looked bad (by normal peoples standards) you being coherent, upbeat, and acting ok in an interview maybe may have HELPED the situation. for all the viewers know you were headed to the hospital for your "gruesome, life-threatening injury" while gina had the mic. rather than leaving it up to their imaginations, they should have let you show how it was purely cosmetic.
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Yeah, I have to agree. I think if people were shocked or upset by the look of it they may have been put at ease a bit by seeing that I was okay. I think some people probably assumed the worst because I basically disappeared from the camera after the fight.
I'm not trying to be one of those people "Well, I would have won if they had let it go into the third round so it wasn't my fault. Yada yada yada...." Gina was obviously getting the better of me at that point in the fight, but I wasn't ready to be done. It really bothers me that I didn't get a chance to thank my sponsors and all that jazz.
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I agree with you. They should have at least let you thank your sponsors. I now wish you could have gone in done the third round. You did us all Proud kaitlin. Sorry you had to put up with such raw BS. Thats total disrespect on their part. What a disgrace, for such a fine hardworking serious fighter. |
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abuckner
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| I would also suggest that if this was a five minute round as it should be, you would have had to tap anyway. |
You could also look at the first round and say that by the end Gina was obviously feeling winded and Kaitlin was not yet hurt and looked fine as far as energy so who knows what would have happened if there had been another two minutes left during that round. That is the problem with three minute rounds....it's great for newer people in the sport so that they can learn but is not enough time for two skilled competitors to work. Why they are keeping this standard and what justification they are using for doing so is beyond me. |
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Rebel
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Why did the announcer proclaimed Gina as a pioneer of women's MMA? No disrespect intended, but there are some very good women MMA fighters that came before Gina (e.g., Jennifer Howe, etc.).
Good fight! |
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Sako
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Why did the announcer proclaimed Gina as a pioneer of women's MMA? No disrespect intended, but there are some very good women MMA fighters that came before Gina (e.g., Jennifer Howe, etc.).
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The announcer also proclaimed Kimbo as the Tiger Woods of mma. Well, Gina is a pioneer in the sense of bringing female mma to the mainstream. |
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hanoverfist
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This is my third attempt at trying to write this entry..need to do something about this timing out and not retaining what you wrote..grr, anger..
First I would like to congratulate both girls on a great fight, the fight of the night imo. Looked like an early stoppage to me. Kaitlin you did awsome and landed some fierce shots that pissed Gina off..I could see it in her face  However, it seemed that Gina was getting her rythm and taking you out of yours and timing you with the right hand. I have no doubt you will be back stronger than ever and expect great things from you.
Gina was impressive. period. you can make excuses, down play it, call it a fluke and keep hating on her whatever..she brought it and did it in impressive fashion. a gomaplata? where did that come from? her ground game is coming along quickly. I said it before, if Gina comes in shape and continues to improve on the ground it will be tough trying to get that belt away from her. When she starts training seriously watch out. however, she needs to fight in a weight class closer to her natural weight...I know, GFC, I know I can hear you already, but some people can't cut that extreme of weight no matter the science behind it and still perform at their best. ErinT is a great match up imo. We all know she can build the hype with her smack talk and she's beautiful and talented and in awesome shape. it pratically promotes itself.
The promo was a media circus and a bit distracting. the Kimbo fight was a dud imo, I couldn't stop staring at that mutation of an ear and when it popped...yea that was great for ratings, ewe..gross. plagued by an athletic comm who over ruled the ring doctor and probably encouraged the early stoppages...well, I think regardless the wemon represented well and got some good exposure. is primetime ready for mma...imo no. stick to vs, spike, espn2, foxsports or something like that.
oh and one more thing before I time out again,..I'm just curious, what was Gina saying to you while you were in the clinch Kaitlin, I could see her saying something in your ear...maybe you could share the secret hmm. |
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koolpaw
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Sam Always Rocks, he revealed the name who has stopped the fight with the interview. 
http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/02/5-oz-exclusive-njacb-legal-counsel-nick-lembo-explains-stoppages-on-saturday-night-fights/
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Sam Caplan: There’s been a lot of criticism from the hardcore MMA fanbase in regards to Saturday’s show. A lot of people aren’t happy with some how some of the fights turned out. I wanted to talk about some of the stoppages and hear the position of the commission as to whether the stoppages were early. I wanted to start out with the Gina Carano vs. Kaitlin Young stoppage. Can you tell us why that fight was stopped?
Nick Lembo: The referee called over the doctor, I believe at the end of the second round, and Dr. Wulkan — Dr. Sheryl Wulkan — who is a long-time MMA and kickboxing doctor, who trains herself, she felt there was a possibility of an orbital fracture. Of course, that could not be determined on the spot; there was no machine that could be used to examine the injury at that point. However, she was concerned about the laceration and the utoma that was forming under Kaitlin’s eye, and she was concerned that it would affect her ability to see and the ability to protect herself and see punches coming from that side. I asked her if Kaitlin was medically able to continue and she said no.
Sam Caplan: Did Dr. Wulkan speak with Kaitlin Young?
Nick Lembo: Dr. Wulkan asked Kaitlin where she was three times. The first time, Kaitlin did not respond. During the second and third attempts, the doctor indicated that Kaitlin’s response was garbled.
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So feel free to... oops
Anyways, "The winner takes all". Thats combat sport. Loss is loss. just wait for next fight 
edit:Sam Caplan added the mail from that Dr
http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/02/5-oz-exclusive-dr-sherry-wulkan-comments-on-kaitlin-young-and-scott-smith-stoppage/
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Here is Wulkan’s e-mail:
“When we saw Kaitlin in the cage, we were concerned about an orbital fracture. Both she and her corner were grateful that the fight was stopped and actually thanked us for stopping the fight. When she first returned to the dressing room, she said she wasn’t sure why the fight was stopped, but after looking in the mirror, she was glad we did. That is almost a quote verbatim. She said she was overwhelmed and that Carano definitely got the better of her on this occasion. I don’t read the blogs [Editor’s Note: Dr. Wulkan is referring to an alleged post by Kaitlin Young on FighterGirls.com, however, the post has yet to be verified as actually being authored by Young herself], but perhaps she was not well reviewed and this prompted the response you forwarded"
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huh? is this Doc high on.... oops
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kaitlinrose
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I posted about this on the underground. Look it up for the whole post there. I did not thank anyone for the stoppage, I know I did not say that I wanted the fight stopped. When I said "I see" it meant that I saw the gore and knew why they didn't want my face on television.
That was taken out of context, perhaps a misunderstanding. I admit that I was losing the fight and I have never argued that. The stoppage was premature under usual MMA rules, and I think it was likely because of the fact it was on television and about to become bloody, not for my safety.
I am want to make it very clear that I by no means am trying to worm my way out of a loss. |
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Rox21
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Hmmm this is tricky. I don't want to shoot myself in the foot. I don't want to shoot any one else's feet, and I don't want anybody to shoot their own feet.
So let me just say that I agree 100% with Amanda. I'm not a doctor, but I thought they stopped fights for blood going into the eye from a cut over the eye. I know the commission is ...*cough* strict -_-; but yeah, I wanted to see more. You looked rocked, but able. I know I've been rocked (plus two times in a fight I was gonna tap and then the bell rang, yay) but then came back and won the fight. But I wasn't there, I wasn't in your skin, I don't know how you felt or what the doctors were worried about. So....yeah.
Good job, all in all. May you bounce back quickly.
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XcashXmoneyX
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| just another person don vito...er...i mean, gary shaw, has paid off...plain and simple. the description was too dramatic not to be embellished, it sounded like he was writing a thrilling novel. plus, i saw kaitlin sitting in the corner and talking, albeit briefly. dont buy it! |
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Maulinator
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Wow. SO this is what happens when MMA goes mainstream. Fighters get treated like lepers and then accused of being liars. It's disgusting. I am so sorry they treated you like that Kaitlin.
I mean you and Gina put on a really good show. Even though I was a little offended by some of the way they presented the fight, it was good. But the weigh in debalce, the stoppage and after the fight.... man you gotta wonder if "mainstream" is worth it. I hope at least you got a good payday. |
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Moody
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Question for Kaitlin. That gogoplata that Gina got on looked like it was sunk in pretty good. (although the technique wasn't quite Black belt level  ) Were you in danger from that? Good job getting out of it in any event.
I really like seeing gogos, I was really surprised that Gina went for it. I really hated at the end of the fight when she said "That was a gogo...plata, I think they call it." Using her ditzy voice. |
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