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treelizard
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| Really great fights. Gina looked great on the ground; had she actually made weight I'd respect her now. Kaitlin was awesome especially considering how new she is to the game. Definitely an amazing fighter. And yeah, it looked like they had a lot of early stoppages, which we attributed it to the fights being on network television more than anything. |
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jamesjudo
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| Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: Come on |
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Yes the Women are on even Level with the Men No Question!!!
on the other Hand Gina gave Young a A$$ whipping people say look at Gina's Face Look at Young's Face she was tore up No Knock on Young
she will be a Force in womens fighting at only 22 years old But for Now Lets Give Gina Carano her due!!!! |
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Maulinator
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I thought it was a really good fight, good matchup. I thought they both represented FeMMA very well in their fight despite the weigh in drama. It was the only good stoppage of the night. Although I really wanted to see that third round. That would have been a do-or-die round for both.
Other than that I agree with Kellyn that the card as a whole may have set us back a bit. I would have liked to see a slightly higher caliber of skill in the mens fights since it was our debut to the general public. I thought the Smith and Thompson stoppages were crap. The girls were the only ones that showed even slight technique on the ground. It was obvious that all fights were set up with strikers and I wanted to see some BJJ technique in there. Kimbo's non-existent ground got exposed. Thompson had a good game plan, but should have had that ear drained before the fight though, LOL.
It was an exciting night to watch how far we have come, when just a few years ago the sport was banned entirely in the US, now we are on CBS. You know though trial and error. Hopefully there will be another chance to put on some better fights next time.
But the main thing is that the girls fight was really good. I thought the fight was pretty even up to the last part of the second round, even giving Young a slight edge. I don't think she got whooped on, she looked really good out there. So did Gina so I am glad she was able to show that she does have skill and not just looks. Wanted to see the fight go all the way though. |
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Adam_MMA
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Ok having seen the Carano - Young fight I agree that Gina possesses genuine skill but makes, at best, a dubious impression, by failing to make the agreed weight.
To paraphrase what I said earlier, what would have happened if that had been a title fight at the agreed weight? |
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defshepard
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| Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: carano vs young |
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| Great fight. The best one of the night in my opinion. I really wish they could have gone a third round. Although I really believe Gina would have won it with either by a KO or a submission. In the second round twards the end she really had control of the fight. Good stoppage by the doctor. I don't want to see Kaitlin get seriously hurt. Not at 22 years young. She really fought very hard and I like the way she would not tap out from the rear naked choke Gina put on her. She has a great futrue ahead of her. I hope we see more of her and a better conditioned, Gina. Way to go ladies. You have really done female mma proud! |
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well that's an "if" but Carano still needs to make weight regardless. evidently the next 140 will be for a title, and she *should* hopefully have more than 3 weeks and finally may get more serious about training and making weight...
(that is if she doesn't now go do 'dancin' with the stars' or some sh*t) lol
but as Kaitlin said herself, the extra 3 lbs over (mosty extra breast tissue and body fat anyway) isn't gonna give Carano any extra "superhuman" strength, the weight itself was trivial, it's the principle and professionalism of needing to not blow up as much and stay 'more' in fight condition regardless of whatever other projects she may be involved in. if you're about MMA and on that level of representation then training, conditioning and making weight should still be priority #1 (imo)....
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Ok having seen the Carano - Young fight I agree that Gina possesses genuine skill but makes, at best, a dubious impression, by failing to make the agreed weight.
To paraphrase what I said earlier, what would have happened if that had been a title fight at the agreed weight? |
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| If there was no serious injury and that had been a men's fight the third round would have happened. |
I rather doubt that. After all, if the men’s rounds are five minutes and Joe Blow is in the process of being choked out at 3:00 minutes of the second round then it is highly unlikely that there would be a third round. |
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frankp316
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| Adam_MMA wrote: |
Ok having seen the Carano - Young fight I agree that Gina possesses genuine skill but makes, at best, a dubious impression, by failing to make the agreed weight.
To paraphrase what I said earlier, what would have happened if that had been a title fight at the agreed weight? |
Get over it. You're making too much of it. If it was that big a deal, there wouldn't have been a fight. I will say the same thing I have said for two years. Gina Carano should never have been put in a position where she had to get down to 140lbs. She should be fighting at her own weight class. Period. So once again, the blame for Gina's supposed lack of professionalism should be placed at the feet of Gary Shaw's attempts to turn EliteXC into a pseudo pro wrestling three ring circus. Last night the whole Kimbo Slice stuff blew up in his face and if he continues that kind of foolishness, things will continue to blow up in his face. I half expected that big stiff Bob Sapp to show up. To date, he is very fortunate that Gina has produced as advertised. But at some point he will have to put her in a match with a more experienced fighter. The natives are getting restless. I want this promotion to be strong competition for UFC. Those type of gimmicks don't cut it in the long run.
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bwilli27
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| Adam_MMA wrote: |
Ok having seen the Carano - Young fight I agree that Gina possesses genuine skill but makes, at best, a dubious impression, by failing to make the agreed weight.
To paraphrase what I said earlier, what would have happened if that had been a title fight at the agreed weight? |
Get over it. You're making too much of it. If it was that big a deal, there wouldn't have been a fight. I will say the same thing I have said for two years. Gina Carano should never have been put in a position where she had to get down to 140lbs. She should be fighting at her own weight class. Period. So once again, the blame for Gina's supposed lack of professionalism should be placed at the feet of Gary Shaw's attempts to turn EliteXC into a pseudo pro wrestling three ring circus. Last night the whole Kimbo Slice stuff blew up in his face and if he continues that kind of foolishness, things will continue to blow up in his face. To date, he is very fortunate that Gina has produced as advertised. But at some point he will have to put her in a match with a more experienced fighter. The natives are getting restless. I want this promotion to be strong competition for UFC. Those type of gimmicks don't cut it in the long run. |
Frank- She did produce, I actually gave Erin a new column which she hasent posted yet saying though the questions are always going to haunt her, she did perform (actually they both did) and she did show what makes Gary Shaw put all of his weight behind making her the face of Womens MMA.
I am starting to dislike Gary Shaw a lot.
I want any promotion to be strong competition for the UFC, I want womens MMA to take off.
The guy (who is a fighter himself) who helped me loose a big chunk of my 65lbs always has said that their is a point where you are cutting too much weight, and I think for Gina to get down to 140 its too much for her body to handle.
My new question in this is, is there a STRONG division that Gina can fight in that can bring as much excitment? |
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Rikki
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| If there was no serious injury and that had been a men's fight the third round would have happened. |
I rather doubt that. After all, if the men’s rounds are five minutes and Joe Blow is in the process of being choked out at 3:00 minutes of the second round then it is highly unlikely that there would be a third round. |
That has nothing to do with the stoppage, though. From what I could tell Kaitlin was cut under the eye - in a UFC fight Stitch would have fixed up the cut and sent the guy back out there for the 3rd round unless there was some serious injury. |
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frankp316
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| Adam_MMA wrote: |
Ok having seen the Carano - Young fight I agree that Gina possesses genuine skill but makes, at best, a dubious impression, by failing to make the agreed weight.
To paraphrase what I said earlier, what would have happened if that had been a title fight at the agreed weight? |
Get over it. You're making too much of it. If it was that big a deal, there wouldn't have been a fight. I will say the same thing I have said for two years. Gina Carano should never have been put in a position where she had to get down to 140lbs. She should be fighting at her own weight class. Period. So once again, the blame for Gina's supposed lack of professionalism should be placed at the feet of Gary Shaw's attempts to turn EliteXC into a pseudo pro wrestling three ring circus. Last night the whole Kimbo Slice stuff blew up in his face and if he continues that kind of foolishness, things will continue to blow up in his face. To date, he is very fortunate that Gina has produced as advertised. But at some point he will have to put her in a match with a more experienced fighter. The natives are getting restless. I want this promotion to be strong competition for UFC. Those type of gimmicks don't cut it in the long run. |
Frank- She did produce, I actually gave Erin a new column which she hasent posted yet saying though the questions are always going to haunt her, she did perform (actually they both did) and she did show what makes Gary Shaw put all of his weight behind making her the face of Womens MMA.
I am starting to dislike Gary Shaw a lot.
I want any promotion to be strong competition for the UFC, I want womens MMA to take off.
The guy (who is a fighter himself) who helped me loose a big chunk of my 65lbs always has said that their is a point where you are cutting too much weight, and I think for Gina to get down to 140 its too much for her body to handle.
My new question in this is, is there a STRONG division that Gina can fight in that can bring as much excitment? |
Read my blog for suggested future opponents. |
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bwilli27
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| frankp316 wrote: |
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| Adam_MMA wrote: |
Ok having seen the Carano - Young fight I agree that Gina possesses genuine skill but makes, at best, a dubious impression, by failing to make the agreed weight.
To paraphrase what I said earlier, what would have happened if that had been a title fight at the agreed weight? |
Get over it. You're making too much of it. If it was that big a deal, there wouldn't have been a fight. I will say the same thing I have said for two years. Gina Carano should never have been put in a position where she had to get down to 140lbs. She should be fighting at her own weight class. Period. So once again, the blame for Gina's supposed lack of professionalism should be placed at the feet of Gary Shaw's attempts to turn EliteXC into a pseudo pro wrestling three ring circus. Last night the whole Kimbo Slice stuff blew up in his face and if he continues that kind of foolishness, things will continue to blow up in his face. To date, he is very fortunate that Gina has produced as advertised. But at some point he will have to put her in a match with a more experienced fighter. The natives are getting restless. I want this promotion to be strong competition for UFC. Those type of gimmicks don't cut it in the long run. |
Frank- She did produce, I actually gave Erin a new column which she hasent posted yet saying though the questions are always going to haunt her, she did perform (actually they both did) and she did show what makes Gary Shaw put all of his weight behind making her the face of Womens MMA.
I am starting to dislike Gary Shaw a lot.
I want any promotion to be strong competition for the UFC, I want womens MMA to take off.
The guy (who is a fighter himself) who helped me loose a big chunk of my 65lbs always has said that their is a point where you are cutting too much weight, and I think for Gina to get down to 140 its too much for her body to handle.
My new question in this is, is there a STRONG division that Gina can fight in that can bring as much excitment? |
Read my blog for suggested future opponents. |
Thanks Frank, I did read it. I do agree with you now that I have had a chance to do more research and watching, they need to get her into her own weight class. PERIOD.
Do you think Erin would put herself in the position that she needs to juggle as much as Gina is to fight and do American Gladiators? |
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frankp316
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The only question is will Shaw put Gina in a match with someone as experienced as Erin. I'm not concerned about Erin's ability to prepare. She's a pro and she's been through wars in the rings of Japan. She could make Gina look like a chump and that's the problem.
The problem with EliteXC weight classes is Shaw is trying to reinvent the wheel and it's not necessary. Instead of 130 & 140, you go with the already established 125, 135 & 145 or open weight. He's doing this strictly for Gina and it's unfair to her.
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bwilli27
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| The only question is will Shaw put Gina in a match with someone as experienced as Erin. I'm not concerned about Erin's ability to prepare. She's a pro and she's been through wars in the rings of Japan. She could make Gina look like a chump and that's the problem. |
I think based on the press conference before the fight, Shaw is going to be intent on keep Gina in the best light possible, I am not sure hes going to be willing to risk having her fall apart |
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